Posts by Joey Jo-Jo

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How ManyYears Did You Waste Being A Jehovah's Witness?

by minimus in

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i was raised as a jw and i haven't been to a meeting in about 8 years..

Joey Jo-Jo

27 years, born in , but I am glade to never be baptise despite my beliefs in their dogma, weird but my strong introversion was my salvation. Still I want to see the gb heads on a gold platter.

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Marijuana

by MrFreeze in

does anybody know the jw reasoning why using mind-altering depression and schizophrenia medication are okay but marijuana is not?

okay i could see saying not to use marijuana because it is currently illegal in the us but what if it were legal?

there are lots of health benefits for marijuana.

Joey Jo-Jo

As Carl Sagan mentioned once, Marijuana is good for people who are treating cancer.

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Circumcision banned in Germany - it's about time.

by Joey Jo-Jo in

http://www.smh.com.au/world/religious-groups-reject-ruling-on-circumcision-20120628-2159v.html.

jewish and muslim groups in germany have condemned a court ruling that deemed circumcision to be equivalent to grievous bodily harm.. the court, in cologne, declared this week that the procedure violated a child's ''fundamental right to bodily integrity''.

religious groups said the ruling trampled on freedom of belief and could lead to ''circumcision tourism''.. the ruling said: ''the body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision.

Joey Jo-Jo

botchtowersociety: thats really interesting, maybe it is a climate thing, but there are many doctors that disagree with you, maybe not all is known about circumcision. I think its the individuals choice to what ever they want to do with their body and not a God or parents, as Finally-Free and many others that I know its really a bad thing.

FlyingHighNow: I was not attacking you, and you can say it was your ex choice all you want but it was his jewish background from his blood thirsty god that wanted him circumcised, seriously jews with all their education sound really stupid amonts intellectual titans such as Christopher Hitchens

Nellie: So if I pull my shaft back does not make any difference, what is your point????? Hww many males do you know who have dick infections??????? we are not talking about vaginas.

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Circumcision banned in Germany - it's about time.

by Joey Jo-Jo in

http://www.smh.com.au/world/religious-groups-reject-ruling-on-circumcision-20120628-2159v.html.

jewish and muslim groups in germany have condemned a court ruling that deemed circumcision to be equivalent to grievous bodily harm.. the court, in cologne, declared this week that the procedure violated a child's ''fundamental right to bodily integrity''.

religious groups said the ruling trampled on freedom of belief and could lead to ''circumcision tourism''.. the ruling said: ''the body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision.

Joey Jo-Jo

I hope you all understand what occurs to a man who has his foreskin mutilated, what chapstick wrote.

FlyingHighNow All for a tyrant God, but there is a thing such as restoring the foreskin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwwfhc54U6Q

WTWizard : I would go further to say that circumcision should not be between the parents, religions or the queen.

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Circumcision banned in Germany - it's about time.

by Joey Jo-Jo in

http://www.smh.com.au/world/religious-groups-reject-ruling-on-circumcision-20120628-2159v.html.

jewish and muslim groups in germany have condemned a court ruling that deemed circumcision to be equivalent to grievous bodily harm.. the court, in cologne, declared this week that the procedure violated a child's ''fundamental right to bodily integrity''.

religious groups said the ruling trampled on freedom of belief and could lead to ''circumcision tourism''.. the ruling said: ''the body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision.

Joey Jo-Jo

http://www.smh.com.au/world/religious-groups-reject-ruling-on-circumcision-20120628-2159v.html

JEWISH and Muslim groups in Germany have condemned a court ruling that deemed circumcision to be equivalent to grievous bodily harm.

The court, in Cologne, declared this week that the procedure violated a child's ''fundamental right to bodily integrity''. Religious groups said the ruling trampled on freedom of belief and could lead to ''circumcision tourism''.

The ruling said: ''The body of the child is irreparably and permanently changed by a circumcision. This change contravenes the interests of the child to decide later on his religious beliefs.''

The case concerned a four-year-old Muslim boy who was circumcised at the request of his parents but was later taken to hospital with bleeding.

The doctor was charged and tried for grievous bodily harm but was acquitted on the grounds that he had parental consent. Prosecutors appealed but the doctor was again acquitted, this time owing to the imprecise nature of the law.

The ruling is not binding but legal experts said it appeared to clarify a grey area in the law and would offer a guide to doctors.

''The court has, unlike many politicians, not been deterred by the fear of being criticised as anti-Semitic or anti-religious,'' said Holm Putzke, a professor in criminal law at Passau University. ''The ruling is very important because, for the first time, physicians have legal certainty.''

Jewish and Muslim groups criticised the decision. ''This ruling is an outrageous and insensitive measure,'' said Dieter Graumann, the head of the Central Committee of Jews.

The committee called on the German parliament to protect the freedom of religion.

''I feel the decision is discriminatory and counters efforts to promote integration,'' said Ali Demir, the chairman of the Islamic Religious Community in Germany. ''We will end up with circumcision tourism to neighbouring countries.''

The World Health Organisation has estimated nearly one in three boys under 15 is circumcised.

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Candace Conti, not satisfied with the outcome

by Joey Jo-Jo in

so the evil slave was fined, and there was justice, but really was there any justice?

when was the last time you saw a helper for a crime be fined money?

why is it that those maggots at the wb&ts who have cause such pain and death be allowed to walk away with a 26m fine and frozen assets?

Joey Jo-Jo

So the evil slave was fined, and there was justice, but really was there any justice? When was the last time you saw a helper for a crime be fined money? Why is it that those maggots at the wb&ts who have cause such pain and death be allowed to walk away with a 26m fine and frozen assets? They should all be locked in jail, they are the ones responsible for the environment of a pedo free zone, they are the ones who cover up the facts and dont report pedophiles and sex offenders. I have read and seen this cults dark side, I experience every day the mind control many go through every day, and we can give an opinion on the future about the society, we can do the christian thing and just warn others, but I think we should aim for the root. They deserve a lot more than a big fine or a loss, they deserve life in prison, they deserve the death penalty. As in law, ignorance and accidents are not excuses for punishment. JW's can call this what ever they want but when Jehovah becomes phantasm because of Gods choosen religion decayde, they will snap out of it.

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The UK media disgusts me

by cedars in

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we're at least 48 hours into the aftermath of the groundbreaking candace conti verdict, and as i wake up this morning i notice the news wires in america are alive with the story.

almost every major news website is running the article.

i notice there is also talk of a tv interview being broadcast.. however, when i search uk websites for "candace conti" i get this.... .

Joey Jo-Jo

the Australian media disgusts me too

Medicine magazine about Jehovah's Witnesses (2004)

by Joey Jo-Jo in

2004 the medicine publishing company ltd vol 5 issue 2. jehovahs witnesses - fiona k mcilveney and nick a pace.

fiona k mcilveney is a specialist registrar in anaesthesia at gartnavel general hospital and the western infirmary, glasgow.

she qualified from glasgow university and has trained primarily in the west of scotland.

Joey Jo-Jo

2004 The Medicine Publishing company Ltd Vol 5 issue 2

Jehovahs Witnesses - Fiona K McIlveney and Nick A Pace

Fiona K McIlveney is a Specialist Registrar in Anaesthesia at Gartnavel General Hospital and the Western Infirmary, Glasgow. She qualified from Glasgow University and has trained primarily in the west of Scotland. Her interests include obstetric anaesthesia and intensive care medicine

Nick A Pace is Consultant Anaesthetist at Western Infirmary, Glasgow. He qualified from Glasgow University and trained at the Glasgow Western and Royal Infirmaries, University Hospital of South Wales and Parkland Memorial Hospital, Dallas, Texas. His interests include airway management and anaesthesia for renal and adrenal diseases. He is a member of the British Transplant Society’s Ethics Committee, and is currently completing a PhD in medical law.

The Jehovah’s Witness Christian movement was founded in North Eastern USA more than 120 years ago. It developed a worldwide following and now has more than 5.9 million members in 230 countries. A fundamental belief of the faith is the rejection of blood transfusions and certain other blood products. This is based on biblical teaching (Genesis 9: 3, 4; Leviticus 17: 11, 12; Acts 15: 28, 29).

In the past, some other medical treatments were also banned. For example, vaccinations were banned from 1929 to 1952 and organ transplants were banned from 1967 to 1980. However, it is the policy concerning refusal of blood that is most associated with the movement. This policy dates from 1945 and was rigorously enforced from 1961. Administration of blood products to an individual led to that person being excommunicated from the church, followed by ‘enforced shunning’ and social isolation because other members were instructed to ostracize the expelled individual.

In June 2000, a change in this policy was announced by the headquarters of the church, the Watchtower and Bible Tract Society. Although acceptance of blood products through personal choice still means disassociation from the church, if the individual repents, spiritual support is offered and subsequent redemption is possible. Furthermore, it is the individual who now revokes his or her own membership through self-disclosure, rather than the congregation initiating ‘disfellowshipping’ through a judicial committee. Therefore, if the act of receiving blood is kept confidential, dis association is highly unlikely. The importance of medical confidentiality cannot be stressed too strongly.

Blood products

The definition of acceptable blood products has changed recently. Primary components (i.e. red and white cells, platelets and plasma) continue to be unacceptable. However, the society now appears to permit the use of fractions of any of the primary components, the so-called secondary components. At what point a primary product becomes a secondary product is not defined and appears to rely on each individual’s interpretation. Processed or piecemeal products, such as albumin, immunoglobulins and clotting factors, seem to be acceptable. Red cells stripped of their outer membrane may be given in the form of haemoglobin transfusions, and haemo globinbased blood substitutes may also be acceptable. Bone marrow transplants and stem cell donation are often viewed as organ transplantation. Because individuals may be confused about what is acceptable, Jehovah’s Witnesses Hospital Liaison Committees have been set up to try to resolve these difficulties.

Blood transfusion remains controversial. The use of preoperative autologous donation, storage and re-infusion of blood isunacceptable because, in general, Jehovah’s Witnesses believe in the disposal of blood that leaves the circulation. Thus, they object to techniques involving intraoperative collection, storage and haemodilution. However, provided there is continuity with the circulation, many Jehovah’s Witnesses consent to autotrans fusion as continuing blood salvage with re-infusion, such as occurs during cardiopulmonary bypass. Isovolaemic haemodilution may also be acceptable. An epidural blood patch may be acceptable provided that the venous blood is connected to the circulation and the epidural space by tubing and a three-way delivery system, thereby maintaining circulatory continuity.

Consent

Any competent adult Jehovah’s Witness is entitled to accept or refuse all or specified parts of any proposed treatment. This is based on the ethical principle of respect for autonomy. It is enshrined not only by most legal systems but also by the European Convention on Human Rights. Detailed advanced healthcare directives are often prepared and left with general practitioners, relatives or friends. In addition, individuals may also carry personal directives expressing their wishes and absolving medical staff from liability for any consequences. Doctors who knowingly breach the terms of these directives may find themselves charged and found guilty of assault. If possible, a full discussion should take place regarding which blood products are to be declined or accepted and the potential consequences of any refusal. In the past, many hospitals used a specific detailed consent form for this process, but the new policy, advocating that members should decide for themselves, means a more individualized consent process is now required. Clear documentation of the discussion and its outcomes should also be made in the medical notes, bearing in mind the need for confidentiality.

It should also be remembered that, regardless of previously expressed views, Jehovah’s Witnesses have the right to change their mind at any time (as does any competent adult) and, if their wishes are expressed of their own volition and without duress, then they should be respected. Documentation of this change of heart should be noted contemporaneously and witnessed. The issue of undue influence is important and the law has negated a refusal to receive blood products if the patient has been coerced by another party (e.g. the English case of Re T (Adult: Refusal of Medical Treatment) [1992] 3 Med LR 306; [1992] 4 All ER 649).

In the emergency situation, where consent cannot be obtained and the individual Jehovah’s Witness’s views are unknown, life saving transfusion should not be withheld. The Jehovah’s Witness in these circumstances has not given consent and therefore religious sanctions should not apply. The views of relatives and friends may be sought in less urgent cases, but they cannot refuse transfusion on the patient’s behalf. Production of an advancedirective is legally binding in the UK, though there may be concerns about the level and accuracy of knowledge available before its completion, especially if it was made before the new policy changes described above.

Children

In the UK, children under the age of 16 years who are capable of understanding the issues surrounding transfusion may give or withhold consent, contrary to the wishes of their parents or guardian. However, the legal consequences of this are unclear, especially with regard to the refusal of accepting life-saving medical treatment, and the law has not always been applied consistently (see Anaesthesia and Intensive Care Medicine 4:1: 1). In an elective situation, if transfusion is expected to save the child’s life or to maintain well-being, it may be necessary to apply to make the child a ward of court if there is a dispute between child and parents or between parents. In the emergency situation, insufficient time is available for this process and life-saving transfusion should be administered irrespective of the parents’ wishes. A second medical opinion is always helpful to support the reasoning of the doctor involved. The courts generally uphold the decision of the doctors, but this cannot be guaranteed.

Managing Jehovah’s Witnesses

In an elective situation, anaesthetists (and surgeons) may choose not to treat Jehovah’s Witnesses, but should transfer their care to other practitioners. However, in the emergency situation, they are obliged to provide appropriate care and to respect the patient’s beliefs, when known.

Preoperative management: ideally, a preoperative consultation should occur, well in advance of the date of surgery, to allow for any necessary preparations and optimization of the patient’s condition. Privacy and confidentiality are essential to allow the patient free expression of their own wishes without undue influence from family or members of the religious order. At the patient’s request, members of the Hospital Liaison Committee may be present in order to clarify issues for both parties. At this stage, acceptable procedures should be established and documented, with full disclosure of the risks and consequences of refusal. It is unlawful, and ethically unacceptable, to fail to respect the patient’s wishes and is likely to lead to civil or criminal proceedings. Preoperative anaemia should be addressed; supplemental iron and folic acid therapy is beneficial in most cases. The use of erythropoietin has been advocated by some, but is slow to provide benefit and may not be useful or cost effective. Consideration should also be given to staging major procedures over several operations, thereby limiting acute blood loss. It is also beneficial to discontinue drugs that have an effect on coagulation (e.g. aspirin) before surgery.

Intraoperative management: consultant surgeons and anaesthetists should be involved in the care of the patient. Consideration should be given to techniques that minimize intraoperative blood loss, such as careful positioning to avoid venous congestion, preoperative haemodilution, hypotensive anaesthesia, use of appropriate tourniquets, meticulous haemostasis and vasoconstrictors. Obstetric procedures may be associated with significant haemorrhage. ‘Cell saver’ systems may be acceptable to some Jehovah’s Witnesses and are appropriate in circumstances where blood loss is unlikely to be contaminated (e.g. orthopaedic surgery) or can be decontaminated (e.g. following Caesarean section). Drugs shown to reduce fibrinolysis (e.g. tranexamic acid, aprotinin) should be considered. These act prophylactically to reduce bleeding, but have little effect on active haemorrhage.

Postoperative care: haemoglobin levels of 8–10 g/dl are safe, even in the presence of cardiorespiratory disease. Critical levels of oxygen delivery in otherwise fit, resting adults occur at about5 g/dl. Prompt attention to postoperative blood loss is required with careful assessment and documentation of continuing losses. Direct compression, if appropriate, and early re-exploration of wounds may be beneficial. Postoperatively, elective ventilation, sedation and paralysis limit oxygen consumption. Active cooling may also be helpful, but can impair coagulation mechanisms. Perfluorocarbon solutions and hyperbaric oxygen therapy have also been advocated. Desmopressin may stimulate factor VIII production, though thisis unlikely to be helpful if coagulation is normal. Jehovah’s Witnesses who have accepted blood transfusion or the administration of other controversial products, should receive them outside visiting times and care should be taken to maintain patient confidentiality. This can be compromised by unsolicited visitors or other healthcare workers. Medical records and fluid documentation should be stored away from the bedside

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Why Do Former Atheist Scholars Turn Deist Or Theist?

by Bubblegum Apotheosis in

atheist becomes theistexclusive interview with former atheist antony flew.

http://www.biola.edu/antonyflew/index.cfm .

what changed in anthony flew's mind that moved him into thinking there might be a god?

Joey Jo-Jo

The controversy with flew is that at the time the book There is a God: How the World's Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind, he's mental health was already declining.

Bubblegum Apotheosis wrote It's nice you don't attack Tony Flew has coming down with dementia as other online atheist have charged.

Stating facts are not an attack, and not just online atheists but other well known atheists pointed this out, still this does not meant what he wrote in his book is wrong, we should pass judgment after understanding his points and examin them critically, and not be closed minded.

Here is an interesting citation from My Pilgrimage from Atheism to Theism: an Exclusive Interview with Former British Atheist Professor Antony Flew Gary R. Habermas, Philosophia Christi Vol. 6, No. 2 (Winter 2004) on wikipedia

He supported the idea of an Aristotelian God with "the characteristics of power and also intelligence", stating that the evidence for it was stronger than ever before. He rejects the ideas of an afterlife, of God as the source of good (he explicitly states that God has created "a lot of" evil), and of the resurrection of Jesus as a historical fact though he has allowed a short chapter arguing for Christ's resurrection to be added into his latest book.

Another

Flew was particularly hostile to Islam, and said it is "best described in a Marxian way as the uniting and justifying ideology of Arab imperialism." [5] In a December 2004 interview he said: "I'm thinking of a God very different from the God of the Christian and far and away from the God of Islam , because both are depicted as omnipotent Oriental despots, cosmic Saddam Husseins" . [17]

Sounds like my kinda god lol, with any atheists one question needs to be answered, were is the evidence?

Flew is a philosopher, a dying art since psychology was invented, now lets look back at the controversy.

Book with Varghese

In 2007, Flew published a book titled There is a God, which was listed as having Roy Abraham Varghese as its co-author. Shortly after the book was released, the New York Times published an article by religious historian Mark Oppenheimer, who stated that Varghese had been almost entirely responsible for writing the book, and that Flew was in a serious state of mental decline, having great difficulty remembering key figures, ideas, and events relating to the debate covered in the book. [6] His book praises several philosophers (like Brian Leftow, John Leslie and Paul Davies), but Flew failed to remember their work during Oppenheimer's interview. The article provoked a public outcry, in which atheist PZ Myers called Varghese "a contemptible manipulator." [29]

A further article by Anthony Gottlieb noted a strong difference in style between the passages giving Flew's biography, and those laying out the case for a god, with the latter including Americanisms such as "beverages", "vacation" and "candy". He came to the same conclusion as Oppenheimer, and stated that "Far from strengthening the case for the existence of God, [the book] rather weakens the case for the existence of Antony Flew". [30] Varghese replied with a letter disputing this view. [31] Flew released a statement through his publisher stating that although Varghese did the actual writing, the book belonged to him and represented his thinking. [32] An audio commentary by William Lane Craig [33] concurs with this position, but Richard Carrier disputes this view. [36] In June 2008, Flew stated his position once again, in a letter to a fellow of the Universities and Colleges Christian Fellowship. [7]

Christian writer Regis Nicoll claims that "Moreover, in a signed, handwritten letter (a copy of which I now have) sent to Roy Varghese, the legendary philosopher reaffirmed his conversion while criticising Oppenheimer for drawing attention away from the book’s central argument: the collapse of rationalism." [37] He argues that "Even Mark Oppenheimer described the ex-atheist 'flaunt[ing] his allegiance to deism' in May 2006 to a Christian audience at Biola University."

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any truth 2 Russell funded by Rothchilds

by mind blown in

is any of this true?

historian, historian, david icke states, "...it was the rothschilds who funded the jehovah's witness operation into being, along with other illuminati bankerz (ie, kuhn, loeb, and co.), through "contributionz" by organizationz like the rothschild-controlled b'nai b'rith.

this was proved in a court of law in 1922. one of the key people involved in this was frank goldman who later became president of b'nai b'rith.

Joey Jo-Jo

thanks for clearing that up Old Goat